Title: Amazing Views,4Miles to Downtown, Hottub, Firepit, - Latest Reviews, Deals & Photos 2026 - Expedia.ca [See all properties](http://www.expedia.ca/Hotel-Search?regionId=&selected=83773427&adults=2&children=&sort=RECOMMENDED&useRewards=false&semdtl=&userIntent=&vip=false) Entire cabin # Amazing Views,4Miles to Downtown, Hottub, Firepit, ## Photo gallery for Amazing Views,4Miles to Downtown, Hottub, Firepit, ![TV, fireplace, offices - Amazing Views,4Miles to Downtown, Hottub, Firepit, (Gatlinburg)](https://images.trvl-media.com/lodging/84000000/83780000/83773500/83773427/329d1b55.jpg?impolicy=resizecrop&rw=598&ra=fit) ![Fridge, microwave, oven, stovetop - Amazing Views,4Miles to Downtown, Hottub, Firepit, (Gatlinburg)](https://images.trvl-media.com/lodging/84000000/83780000/83773500/83773427/9426ef71.jpg?impolicy=resizecrop&rw=297&ra=fit) ![Terrace/patio - Amazing Views,4Miles to Downtown, Hottub, Firepit, (Gatlinburg)](https://images.trvl-media.com/lodging/84000000/83780000/83773500/83773427/ec43f5e6.jpg?impolicy=resizecrop&rw=297&ra=fit) ![TV, fireplace, offices - Amazing Views,4Miles to Downtown, Hottub, Firepit, (Gatlinburg)](https://images.trvl-media.com/lodging/84000000/83780000/83773500/83773427/716a4060.jpg?impolicy=resizecrop&rw=297&ra=fit) ![Fridge, microwave, oven, stovetop - Amazing Views,4Miles to Downtown, Hottub, Firepit, (Gatlinburg)](https://images.trvl-media.com/lodging/84000000/83780000/83773500/83773427/cff86dbb.jpg?impolicy=resizecrop&rw=297&ra=fit) - Overview - Location - Amenities - Policies Ranger's Retreat offers a secluded retreat with modern Industrial Flare, 4 miles from Downtown Gatlinburg. Enjoy stunning mountain views on two expansive decks, complete with a swing out front and hot tub or fire pit out back. This cabin has everything you need: Fast WiFi, an indoor gas fireplace, outdoor gas fire pit, and top-of-the-line appliances. ## Reviews 10 Exceptional ### Entire cabin 2 bedrooms2 bathroomsSleeps 81520 sq ft ## Popular amenities - Kitchen - Washer - Dryer - Air conditioning - Outdoor Space ## Add dates for prices Check-in Check-out Travellers ## About this property ### Entire place You'll have the entire cabin to yourself and will only share it with other guests in your party. ### Amazing Views,4Miles to Downtown, Hottub, Firepit, Summary: Welcome to Ranger's Retreat! This cabin offers exceptional mountain views and is conveniently located just four miles from downtown Gatlinburg and three miles from the Arts and Crafts District. It provides a peaceful setting with easy access to town. Enjoy amazing views off the front porch, or soak up all the sights and sounds by the firepit or hot tub on the back deck. Thoughtfully appointed with all essentials, this retreat is ideal for a refined mountain escape! We cannot wait to host you! The Space: Sleeping 7, this cabin comes with an upstairs King Bedroom, Queen Bedroom Downstairs, Queen Pullout in Living Room, Full pullout in upstairs loft and 2 full bathrooms - downstairs tub and walk in tiled shower upstairs. This cabin has all of the bells and whistles; Fast Wifi, Fully stocked kitchen, top of the line appliances, Roku TVs, Indoor Gas Fireplace, Outdoor Gas Fire pit, Hot tub, String Lights, Washer, dryer and amazing views off the front deck! Very peaceful and secluded with the back deck. You can see Mountain views throughout the living areas and bedrooms in the cabin. Large but steep driveway to handle multiple cars. Cabin sleeps up to 7 Guests Maximum. Cabin Has 2 Bedrooms and 2 full bathrooms. Bedroom 1 - Downstairs Queen Bedroom. Roku TV. Bedroom 2 - Upstairs King Bedroom. Roku TV. Bathroom 1 - Downstairs Bathroom with Full tub. Bathroom 2 - Upstairs Bathroom with Walk-in Shower. Kitchen - Custom cabinets, Large Granite Countertops, Large Granite Island, Stainless Steel Microwave, Toaster, Stainless Steel Fridge, Electric Stove, Oven, Keurig Dual Coffee Maker (coffee essentials provided). Pots, Pans, Cooking Utensils, Baking Sheets, Silverware, Glassware, Wine Glasses. Living Room - Pullout Queen Sleeper Sofa, Roku TV, Gas Fireplace Loft Area - Pullout Full Sleeper Sofa, Roku TV, Foosball Table, HDMI Cord for Gaming Consoles. Front Deck - 4 Large rocking chairs, Large Bench swing, Some of the best views Gatlinburg has to offer! Back Deck - Hot Tub, Fire Pit, String Lights, Large lounge chairs and benches for entertaining. Secluded Feel. Guest Access: Entire Cabin Keyless Entry System The Neighborhood: The Cabin is located on the backside of Gatlinburg, just 4 miles to downtown. It is conveniently located near the spur that connects Gatlinburg to Pigeon Forge. Getting Around: We always recommend 4x4 or AWD for anywhere in The Great Smoky Mountains. The cabin features paved roads all the way up and without any inclement weather any car should be fine but again, we recommend 4x4 or All wheel drive when visiting the area. Extremely close to the one grocery store in Gatlinburg (Food City). Located in between downtown Gatlinburg and the Historic Arts and Crafts District. It is also very conveniently located to roads that connect to the spur to travel to Pigeon Forge. Other Things to Note: Must be 21 or older to book this cabin. Starter sets of paper towels, toilet paper, dish detergent, laundry detergent, coffee, and bathing items are provided. This cabin sleeps 7 guests maximum. Extremely close to the one grocery store in Gatlinburg (Food City). Located in between downtown Gatlinburg and the Historic Arts and Crafts District. It is also very conveniently located to roads that connect to the spur to travel to Pigeon Forge. We always recommend 4x4 drive for anywhere in The Great Smoky Mountains. The cabin features paved roads all the way up and without any inclement weather any car should be fine but again, we recommend 4x4 wheel drive when visiting the area. Gas fireplace operates year round as well as the firepit outside. Coffee maker is a regular and Keurig coffee maker. Interaction with Guests: The best and fastest way to reach me is through the website messenger. ## Property amenities ### Pool/Spa - Hot tub ### Internet - Available in the cabin: WiFi ### Parking and transportation - Parking on site ### Kitchen - Coffee/tea maker - Cookware, dishware, and utensils - Dishwasher - Microwave - Oven - Refrigerator - Stovetop - Toaster ### Bedrooms - 2 bedrooms - Bedsheets provided - Sofa bed ### Bathroom - 2 bathrooms - Bathtub - Hair dryer - Shower - Towels provided ### Living spaces - Fireplace ### Entertainment - TV with cable/satellite channels ### Outdoor areas - Balcony - Barbecue grill ### Laundry - Laundry facilities - Washing machine ### Work spaces - Office ### Comfort - Air conditioning - Heating ### Pets - No pets allowed ### Suitability/Accessibility - Smoking not allowed ### Location highlights - In the mountains ### Safety features - Carbon monoxide detector (host has indicated there is a carbon monoxide detector on the property) - Smoke detector (host has indicated there is a smoke detector on the property) - First aid kit - Fire extinguisher ### General - Unit size: 1,520 square feet ## Similar properties ![Studio (2 Bedrooms) | Property amenity](https://images.trvl-media.com/lodging/60000000/59690000/59687200/59687162/45b602aa.jpg?impolicy=fcrop&w=469&h=201&p=1&q=medium) ### Back to Nature by Jackson Mountain Rentals Gatlinburg - Kitchen - Dryer - Pet friendly - Free WiFi 8.8 Excellent 5 reviews CA $205 CA $845 total includes taxes & fees Mar 25 - Mar 26 [](https://www.expedia.ca/Hotel-Search?startDate=2026-03-25&endDate=2026-03-26&selected=59687162&PinnedHotelID=59687162&HadPinnedHotel=true®ionId=-1&adults=2) ![Studio (2 Bedrooms) | Property amenity](https://images.trvl-media.com/lodging/118000000/117340000/117332000/117331919/2f68d808.jpg?impolicy=fcrop&w=469&h=201&p=1&q=medium) ### Amazing Point of View by Jackson Mountain Rentals Gatlinburg - Kitchen - Dryer - Parking included - Free WiFi 10 Exceptional 1 review [](https://www.expedia.ca/Hotel-Search?startDate=2026-03-16&endDate=2026-03-17&selected=117331919&PinnedHotelID=117331919&HadPinnedHotel=true®ionId=-1&adults=2) ![Smart TV, fireplace](https://images.trvl-media.com/lodging/74000000/73660000/73656800/73656757/fae2860b.jpg?impolicy=fcrop&w=469&h=201&p=1&q=medium) ### Cozy cabin with mountain views and easy access to all attractions Gatlinburg - Hot tub - Kitchen - Washer - Dryer 9.0 Wonderful 47 reviews [](https://www.expedia.ca/Hotel-Search?startDate=2026-03-16&endDate=2026-03-17&selected=73656757&PinnedHotelID=73656757&HadPinnedHotel=true®ionId=-1&adults=2) ![Pool](https://images.trvl-media.com/lodging/37000000/36700000/36695700/36695622/3c215d83.jpg?impolicy=fcrop&w=469&h=201&p=1&q=medium) ### Moonlight and Memories - Two Bedroom Cabin Sevierville - Hot tub - Kitchen - Washer - Dryer 9.2 Wonderful 5 reviews [](https://www.expedia.ca/Hotel-Search?startDate=2026-03-16&endDate=2026-03-17&selected=36695622&PinnedHotelID=36695622&HadPinnedHotel=true®ionId=-1&adults=2) ![Outdoor dining](https://images.trvl-media.com/lodging/68000000/67300000/67299000/67298983/87cd93f1.jpg?impolicy=fcrop&w=469&h=201&p=1&q=medium) ### Rustic River Lodge by HoneyBearCabins Sevierville - Kitchen - Parking included - Free WiFi - Laundry 7.4 Good 3 reviews CA $168 CA $428 total includes taxes & fees Mar 3 - Mar 4 [](https://www.expedia.ca/Hotel-Search?startDate=2026-03-03&endDate=2026-03-04&selected=67298983&PinnedHotelID=67298983&HadPinnedHotel=true®ionId=-1&adults=2) ![TV, DVD player](https://images.trvl-media.com/lodging/83000000/82820000/82816800/82816703/18878b3e.jpg?impolicy=fcrop&w=469&h=201&p=1&q=medium) ### Davy Crockett: Beautiful Cabin near the Parkway, Perfect for the Family Weekend Getaway! 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You will receive an email from Vrbo with a link to a Vrbo account, where you can change or cancel your reservation ### Property is also known as 62fa8e0c85231000334bbdd3 ## About the area Located in Gatlinburg, this cabin is in the mountains. Ober Mountain and Wilderness at the Smokies are worth checking out if an activity is on the agenda, while those wishing to experience the area's popular attractions can visit Ripley's Aquarium of the Smokies and Anakeesta. Gatlinburg SkyPark and Wild Bear Falls Indoor Water Park are not to be missed. 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Beta Get instant answers with AI powered search of property information and reviews. Ask a question ## Amazing Views,4Miles to Downtown, Hottub, Firepit, Reviews ## Reviews ### Exceptional All reviews shown are from real guest experiences. Only travellers who have booked a stay with us can submit a review. We verify reviews according to our guidelines and publish all reviews, positive or negative. [More information](https://www.expedia.ca/lp/b/content-guidelines) 10 - Excellent 88 8 - Good 1 6 - Okay 0 4 - Poor 0 2 - Terrible 0 ### 10 Cleanliness ### 9.8 Location ## Reviews ### 10/10 Excellent #### Jaime R. Jun 19, 2025 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Nice romantic getaway My husband and I wanted to get away for a bit and found this hidden gem. The house is beautiful and the views were amazing. The town had so much to do and see. Truly an amazing trip. ##### Jaime R. Stayed 2 nights in Jun 2025 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Sheila B. Mar 26, 2025 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Great place Cabin was perfect and we had so much fun!!! Owner was a great communicator. Views were perfect! ##### Sheila B. Stayed 3 nights in Mar 2025 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Robin W. May 15, 2025 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Great views Enjoyed the location and surrounding attractions. Had an unexpected view of nature at its best seeing bear cubs and mama. Super exciting! ##### Robin W. Stayed 6 nights in May 2025 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Rachel C. Feb 13, 2025 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Best stay in Gatlinburg yet! We cannot say enough good things about our stay, and our interaction with our host, Zach. We asked if we could add two days to our stay because we loved the cabin and the location so much. ##### Rachel C. Stayed 5 nights in Jan 2025 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Richard G. Apr 15, 2025 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Excellent property Property was excellent. View from the front porch is outstanding. Well appointed, did not need anything that wasn't available. ##### Richard G. Stayed 2 nights in Apr 2025 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Sonja B. Oct 17, 2024 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Beautiful Cabin & Views We enjoyed a long weekend stay here. The cabin was perfect for 4 adults and had everything we needed - well stocked with most everything! Clean, cute and well-kept. Very responsive and courteous host! ##### Sonja B. Stayed 4 nights in Oct 2024 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Kara A. Oct 3, 2023 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Home away from homeđź’ś Amazing views! Comfy home and owner responds quickly when needed! ##### Kara A. Stayed 5 nights in Sep 2023 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Larry H. Feb 7, 2025 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Scale of 1-10 ( 10 ) Great views from the front porch, Cozy back deck to enjoy the firepit and hot tub. Very clean, and well equipped. Will plan another visit. ##### Larry H. Stayed 3 nights in Feb 2025 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Claudine M. Mar 2, 2025 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Mother/Daughter mountain getaway Our time at the cabin was great. The views are spectacular. Very peaceful having coffee on the porch. Sitting on the rocking chairs and enjoying the view. Easy check in and check out. Zach was great. As other guests have mentioned, be prepared for the steep driveway.Thank you for a wonderful stay at your beautiful Ranger’s Retreat! ##### Claudine M. Stayed 3 nights in Feb 2025 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Brent B. Oct 7, 2023 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Beautiful cabin The cabin was in a great location. 10 minutes from downtown. Gorgeous views. The cabin smelled and looked brand new. ##### Brent B. Stayed 4 nights in Oct 2023 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Jason H., Antioch, USA Jul 21, 2023 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Excellent The cabin was perfect for a family getaway! It was beautiful and felt secluded. It had everything we needed!! Loved it and would return. ##### Jason H. Stayed 4 nights in Jul 2023 ### 10/10 Excellent #### new g. Aug 20, 2023 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Relaxing Perfect location to get away from it all. Very friendly bear in the neighborhood make daily visit. Views are breathtaking. Would recommend! ##### new g. Stayed 2 nights in Aug 2023 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Bobbi H. Aug 8, 2023 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Spectacular Views The front porch had several rockers and a porch swing and the view of the mountains was breathtaking. The cabin decorated perfectly and was well stocked with everything we needed. Would highly recommend this property and hopefully we will return soon. Zach was a pleasure to work with. ##### Bobbi H. Stayed 7 nights in Jul 2023 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Lauren B. Nov 12, 2024 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Great cabin! Loved this cabin and would stay here again in a heartbeat. We had bears visit us one morning, play in the front porch and climb the sapling/fall off. The kids loved our unexpected guests! I would definitely recommend 4wd and or tire chains to get to this cabin in the winter…I couldn’t imagine coming down the driveway when it was wet from rain or snow. ##### Lauren B. Stayed 3 nights in Nov 2024 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Alysha R. Feb 15, 2024 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Wonderful! I cannot say enough good things about this property! It was immaculately clean, beautiful, well stocked and perfect! It is close to both gatlinburg and pigeon forge, feels very private and the view is beautiful. We are already talking about returning next year. You wont regret booking this property! ##### Alysha R. Stayed 6 nights in Feb 2024 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Kristen B. Dec 9, 2024 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Wonderful Stay Everything about this cabin was perfect. It had beautiful views, was peaceful, and was very close to town. I wish we could have stayed longer. As the listing states, I recommend an all-wheel or 4-wheel drive. We had a 2-wheel drive SUV and there were a few spots along the way I was concerned we would not make it. Other than our vehicle, everything was perfect! ##### Kristen B. Stayed 4 nights in Nov 2024 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Tammy H. Aug 8, 2024 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Rest and retreat Had a wonderful stay for 8 nights. Home is warm and inviting. Everything way clean and well kept. Our family enjoyed the quiet getaway but so close to downtown Gatlinburg. Host was very communicative and helpful. Have cabins close by but don’t hear them. Several bear sightings. We will be back! ##### Tammy H. Stayed 8 nights in Jul 2024 ### 10/10 Excellent #### marcus s. Apr 1, 2025 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Ranger retreat spring break getaway This cabin is amazing, it has everything you need. The view of the front deck was awesome. The back deck is private with a hot tub and a propane fire pit. There is plenty of seating in the deck. The cabin has WiFi and cable for a raining day. The driveway is STEEP. I would pull into the cabin next door and back into our parking spots, there is only room for 2 cars. Overall the cabin is immaculate. We don’t see any bears, we were told they are still hibernating. . ##### marcus s. Stayed 4 nights in Mar 2025 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Robert S. Apr 19, 2024 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### April Vacay Beautiful. Perfect. Serene. Amazing especially with young kids. Back deck is gated and kids cannot get out and have plenty of room to play. Incredibly quiet location. Cabin is immaculately clean, comfortable and within a few minutes of Gatlinburg. 5+ stars. Not one single complaint or regret. Thank you to our cabin hosts! ##### Robert S. Stayed 6 nights in Apr 2024 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Eric J. Nov 13, 2023 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Amazing cabin in the perfect location! We stayed at the Ranger’s Retreat for 4 nights and it was an amazing experience overall! The host, Zach, was great and very responsive and helpful when I reached out through the Vrbo app. Check-in was smooth and seamless using the provided access code on the smart lock. The cabin itself was perfect. It was spotless and you could tell a lot of time was spent on the preparation between renters. The hot tub was wonderful and the bed was extremely comfortable which made it easy to recover and get some rest after long days of hiking. The location was also a great. We wanted something in the mountains, surrounded by nature, with some seclusion which is exactly what we got. The view from the front porch was beautiful with unobstructed views of the mountains and downtown Gatlinburg in the distance. Even with the quiet and privacy we had, it was still just a short drive to downtown Gatlinburg, Pigeon Forge and the National Park. We felt like we had easy access to all the major attractions in the area. Overall, it was a great place to stay. I rarely ever waste time in hotels or rentals when traveling because I like to get out and experience whatever location we’re visiting. This is one of those very rare times that we wanted to stay in and enjoy the amenities we had at our disposal due to the beautiful views, peace, quiet and comfort that the Ranger’s Retreat offers. We’ll definitely be coming back again during our next visit to eastern Tennessee! ##### Eric J. Stayed 4 nights in Nov 2023 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Ivan G. Nov 30, 2025 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy Everything was perfect! Great views, private and nearby downtown ![](https://a.travel-assets.com/ugc/hotel-reviews/0e8b5b93-a484-4536-afe3-49f11cf75c31-1764467986655.jpg?impolicy=resizecrop&rw=204&ra=fit&q=high) ##### Ivan G. Stayed 4 nights in Nov 2025 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Garrett R. Nov 27, 2025 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy The property was beautiful and in the perfect location. Secluded yet still close to downtown with just a short drive. The view is spectacular! We’ve stayed at many cabins in Gatlinburg and this has been one of our favorites. ##### Garrett R. Stayed 4 nights in Nov 2025 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Sue B. Sep 22, 2025 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy Close to everything! We spent most of our time in the Smokey Mountains. Lots to see and do. ##### Sue B. Stayed 4 nights in Sep 2025 ### 10/10 Excellent #### David C. Aug 18, 2025 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy Great view! Great owners!! ##### David C. Stayed 4 nights in Aug 2025 ### 10/10 Excellent #### eric B. Aug 9, 2025 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy A very beautiful cabin, perfect location, beautiful views. The host Zach was very helpful. ##### eric B. 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