Title: 4th of July 2025!! Family Reunion Log Cabin Lake View, Beach, Pontoon - Latest Reviews, Deals & Photos 2025 - Expedia.ca [See all properties](http://www.expedia.ca/Hotel-Search?regionId=&adults=2&children=&sort=RECOMMENDED&useRewards=false&semdtl=&userIntent=&vip=false) # 4th of July 2025!! Family Reunion Log Cabin Lake View, Beach, Pontoon Beachfront lodge for sun and fun ![Fridge, microwave, oven, stovetop](https://images.trvl-media.com/lodging/25000000/24250000/24248200/24248153/42743d7a.jpg?impolicy=resizecrop&rw=598&ra=fit) ![5 bedrooms, desk, iron/ironing board, free WiFi](https://images.trvl-media.com/lodging/25000000/24250000/24248200/24248153/27248004.jpg?impolicy=resizecrop&rw=297&ra=fit) ![Exterior](https://images.trvl-media.com/lodging/25000000/24250000/24248200/24248153/4d76d9d7.jpg?impolicy=resizecrop&rw=297&ra=fit) ![Exterior](https://images.trvl-media.com/lodging/25000000/24250000/24248200/24248153/eae3faf6.jpg?impolicy=resizecrop&rw=297&ra=fit) ![Interior](https://images.trvl-media.com/lodging/25000000/24250000/24248200/24248153/5c32a1b2.jpg?impolicy=resizecrop&rw=297&ra=fit) - Overview - Rooms - Location - Policies Golfing on site, a firepit, and a playground are just a few of the amenities provided at 4th of July 2025!! Family Reunion Log Cabin Lake View, Beach, Pontoon. With amenities like a beachfront location and sun loungers, this lodge is the perfect place to soak up the sun. 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Family Reunion Log Cabin Lake View, Beach, Pontoon Family-friendly lodge by the lake At 4th of July 2025!! Family Reunion Log Cabin Lake View, Beach, Pontoon, you can look forward to golfing on site, a firepit, and a playground. This lodge is a great place to bask in the sun with a beachfront location and sun loungers. Stay connected with free in-room WiFi, and guests can find other amenities such as an arcade/game room and laundry facilities. Other perks at this lodge include: - An electric car charging station, beach towels, and a dock - Table tennis, a foosball table, and books - Barbecue grills, games, and outdoor furniture Room features All guestrooms at 4th of July 2025!! Family Reunion Log Cabin Lake View, Beach, Pontoon include thoughtful touches such as fireplaces and air conditioning, as well as amenities like free WiFi and computer monitors. 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Golf - Kayak - Piano - Playground - Table tennis - Water sports equipment ### Conveniences - Laundry facilities ### Outdoors - Barbecue grill - Beach loungers - Beach towels - Dock - Firepit - On a lake - On the beach - Outdoor furniture ### More - Note from host: Only at the end of the 150' driveway - Smoking not allowed ## Room amenities ### Bedroom - Bedsheets provided - Sofa bed ### Bathroom - 3.5 bathrooms - Bathtub or shower - Hair dryer - Outdoor shower - Shampoo - Shower - Soap - Toilet paper - Towels provided ### Entertainment - Smart TV ### Food and drink - Coffee grinder - Coffee/tea maker - Cookware, dishware, and utensils - Dining table - Dishwasher - Electric kettle - Ice maker - Kitchen - Microwave - Oven - Paper towels - Refrigerator - Spices - Stovetop - Toaster ### More - Air conditioning - Computer monitor - Desk - Desk chair - Dryer - Fireplace - Heating - Iron/ironing board - Living room - Phone ## Policies ### Check-in Check-in time starts at 4:00 PM Minimum check-in age: 25 ### Check-out Check-out before 11:00 AM ### Special check-in instructions You will receive an email from the host with check-in and check-out instructions ### Pets Pets allowed Service animals are welcome, and are exempt from fees 3 total pets Restrictions apply; for more information contact the property at the number on the booking confirmation Note from host: Well trained pet(s) are accepted. ### Children and extra beds Children are welcome Note from host: Kids love the loft! Sandy beach for the kids ### Events Events allowed No loud parties after 10 p.m. ### Smoking Smoking is not permitted Only at the end of the 150' driveway ## Important information ### You need to know Extra-person charges may apply and vary depending on property policy Government-issued photo identification and a credit card, debit card, or cash deposit may be required at check-in for incidental charges Special requests are subject to availability upon check-in and may incur additional charges; special requests cannot be guaranteed Parties and events are allowed on site; maximum attendees: 40 Note from host: No loud parties after 10 p.m. Safety features at this property include a carbon monoxide detector, a fire extinguisher, a smoke detector, a first aid kit, and a deadbolt lock This property has outdoor spaces, such as balconies, patios, terraces which may not be suitable for children; if you have concerns, we recommend contacting the property prior to your arrival to confirm they can accommodate you in a suitable room This property is managed through our partner, Vrbo. You will receive an email from Vrbo with a link to a Vrbo account, where you can change or cancel your reservation ### We should mention A car is recommended for transportation to and from this property ## Frequently asked questions ### Is 4th of July 2025!! Family Reunion Log Cabin Lake View, Beach, Pontoon pet-friendly? > Yes, this lodge allows pets (limit 3 total). Some restrictions may apply, so please contact the property for more details. ### How much is parking? > Onsite parking is available at the property. ### What time is check-in at 4th of July 2025!! Family Reunion Log Cabin Lake View, Beach, Pontoon? > Check-in begins at 4:00 PM. ### What time is check-out at 4th of July 2025!! Family Reunion Log Cabin Lake View, Beach, Pontoon? > Check-out is at 11:00 AM. ### Where is 4th of July 2025!! Family Reunion Log Cabin Lake View, Beach, Pontoon located? > Nestled on the beach, this Big Rapids lodge is within 3 mi (5 km) of Townline Lake, Round Lake, and Alma Lake. Young Lake is 3 mi (4.9 km) away. ## Have a question? Beta Get instant answers with AI powered search of property information and reviews. Ask a question ## 4th of July 2025!! Family Reunion Log Cabin Lake View, Beach, Pontoon Reviews 10 ### Exceptional All reviews shown are from real guest experiences. Only travellers who have booked a stay with us can submit a review. We verify reviews according to our guidelines and publish all reviews, positive or negative.[More information](https://www.expedia.ca/lp/b/content-guidelines) ### 9.8 Cleanliness ### 10 Location 10 - Excellent 65 8 - Good 4 6 - Okay 0 4 - Poor 0 2 - Terrible 0 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Bruce H. Oct 25, 2019 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Wonderful time at a truly great lodge We had a great time, as we always do at Loon Lake Lodge It was a little cold and rather rainy but that just added to the time we could spend playing games and enjoying each other company. ##### Bruce H. Stayed 2 nights in Oct 2019 ### 10/10 Excellent #### barbara l. Jul 12, 2023 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Great vacation! Great vacation home. The house is beautiful and easily housed our children and grandchildren -18 total. We loved the pontoon boat and lake. The hosts were friendly and responded quickly to the one minor issue. The air conditioner stopped and was repaired by the next morning at 7 am. Many thanks for a great vacation. ##### barbara l. Stayed 7 nights in Jul 2023 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Lisa M. Aug 7, 2018 #### It was a great vacation home for us! Lots of kids that loved the beach and amenities offered Thank you for everything. Home was great. We mostly used the beautiful beach area and the pontoon that was provided. The lake was very weedy in a lot of areas and the beachy sandy water only went out a little ways, after that it became a little mucky but we had a wonderful time. We would most definitely go back. ##### Lisa M. Stayed 7 nights in Jul 2018 This review was submitted before 2018 and has not been verified. ### 10/10 Excellent #### Beverly G. Dec 23, 2014 #### Memory-Maker Get-away This great "Mitten" location and beautiful great lakes setting was ideal for both our family bonding time and business get-togethers. The comfortable amenities, abundant conveniences tucked into a "Pure" Michigan log cabin setting. Many very happy memories surround us encouraging us to return again and again. Summer waterfront, canopied walks on rustic roadsides, or brisk winter ice skating, snow-shoeing, and roaring fires. Owners are always ready to make sure our stay was the most memorable possible. ##### Beverly G. This review was submitted before 2018 and has not been verified. ### 10/10 Excellent #### Sheila W., Trenton MI Jul 27, 2016 #### Beautiful property What a wonderful place this is! We had our family reunion at Loon Lake Lodge which included 20 people ages 12 to 72 and there was something for everyone to enjoy. The pontoon boat is a really nice plus included in the rental. We used it almost every day. Other benefits were the paddle boards and kayak. The beach area is very nice. It's not a huge area but has nice soft sand and a beautiful view! Just in case you have someone in your party with mobility issues, you should know there are quite a few staircases to deal with. There are 3 levels to the lodge so be prepared. It was nice having all the levels. The teens stayed downstairs with the ping pong table and they were able to enjoy some space of their own. And the porch...WOW! We enjoyed it all day long and into the night and even set up a few dinners out there. Thanks to the Hillmans for being so easy to deal with through the rental process. We really enjoyed our stay. ##### Sheila W. Stayed 7 nights in Jul 2016 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Gary B. Jul 1, 2023 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Thank you Paul & Carol for our Awesome time at Loon Lake Lodge Our family of 13 had a great time at Loon Lake Lodge from June 20-25, 2023. There were 8 adults & 5 children ages 1-9. We had LOTS of room to spread out. The grandchildren loved sleeping in the loft with their Nana & Papa. But we spent most of our time outside. There is a beautiful deck with a porch swing & a picnic table that is perfect for doing crafts (We always have two crafts for the little ones to do as a keepsake for the vacation we take together as a family every year). Most of our time was spent in the water though. They have a wonderful sandy beach area & sandy swimming area for the little ones. Many toys for them to play with, including a small slide for them to slide into the water. There was also a couple swing sets they had lots of fun on. We didn’t get a chance to enjoy campfires because of the burn ban but there was much firewood provided if we had been able to. We also enjoyed our rides on the pontoon boat. We brought our own tow raft to pull the little ones & to our surprise they also had one there for us. They had MANY water items. Our 3 older grandchildren (9,8,and 6) & our “big kids” had a great time on the paddle boards. The lake is actually quite weedy past the swimming area. But once you get through the weeds, there is a lot of clear water out by the raft, which our family also enjoyed jumping off from. We were afraid at first that the weeds might scare our grandchildren but they paddled right through them with no problem at all. We had a great week ##### Gary B. Stayed 5 nights in Jun 2023 ### 10/10 Excellent #### ANDREW J. Jul 23, 2025 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy Private beach and lake was great. Fantastic additional cabin on the property as well ##### ANDREW J. Stayed 5 nights in Jul 2025 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Kyle K. Oct 7, 2019 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Loon Lake The Loon Lake Lodge was an amazing stay. The property was full of activities on the water and inside the cabin. The cabin had something for everyone to enjoy and enough room inside to comfortably house all our guests. Whether you want to relax and enjoy a secluded stay or a large family weekend the Loon Lake Lodge will accommodate all your needs. ##### Kyle K. Stayed 3 nights in Sep 2019 ### 10/10 Excellent #### adam t. Sep 7, 2019 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Golf outing Beautiful place to stay. All was as listed. Had a great time! ##### adam t. ### 10/10 Excellent #### Larry O. Aug 14, 2019 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Great Lake Experience The cabin was great - a good place for having fun and gathering together. Wonderful big deck, which we spent a lot of time on. Great for a big family get-together. Kayaks and paddle boards both got lots of use. ##### Larry O. ### 10/10 Excellent #### donna b., Oxford, Ohio Jul 26, 2019 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Loon Lake Lodge Vacation Our family vacations together every summer. This year we stayed at Paul & Carol's Loon Lake Lodge. Our kids said it was the best vacation yet! (Last year we had a great beach house on Tybee Island so this is saying a lot!) Loon Lake Lodge is beautiful and surrounded by God's beautiful handiwork! ##### donna b. Stayed 7 nights in Jul 2019 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Cindy R. Jul 8, 2019 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Family weekend We had an awesome weekend at the loon lodge, the cabin is absolutely beautiful . Our grandkids had so much playing in the water and the sand . And we truly enjoyed being able to have a fire down by the beach and in the cabin at night . Everyone enjoyed everything about the lodge . Would highly recommend it for anyone wanting a family gathering . ##### Cindy R. Stayed 2 nights in Jun 2019 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Joe H., Yorkville Jul 8, 2019 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Perfect getaway! The property was just as described. We had a 16 guy bachelor party, that just wanted a relaxing boys weekend with some fishing and we got what we asked for! Communication with the owner was great. There are cameras that we were worried about but never did we think the owner was "spying" on us or going to stop us from doing anything during our stay. The only bad things would probably be all the pollen on the porch that we had to clean ourselves before we could use anything, and the driveway was a muddy path that could have used some more gravel. We had some guys with Corvettes and they couldn't get up half the driveway. ##### Joe H. ### 10/10 Excellent #### Rebecca B. Jun 3, 2019 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Peaceful and Beautiful I absolutely loved my stay. It was so relaxing, quiet and and a joy. My favorite part was having a cup of coffee in the morning and looking at the lake, in the quiet of the morning. ##### Rebecca B. ### 10/10 Excellent #### Sarah M. May 16, 2019 #### Ferris State Graduation Our family stayed the weekend at this lodge for Ferris State University graduation. The home was great and very cozy. We had a fire in the fireplace every night. They had everything we needed to be comfortable. Only recommendation would be to bring slippers/house shoes with you as the wood floors are very slippery! ##### Sarah M. Stayed 3 nights in May 2019 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Angie S., Colorado Apr 18, 2019 #### Great house! Great ownders! Fantastic house! Beautiful setting. ##### Angie S. Stayed 2 nights in Apr 2019 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Liz C. Apr 12, 2019 #### Beautiful Property, Accommodating Host A group of friends stayed at the Loon Lake Lodge for a weekend to celebrate our beautiful bride to be and it was absolutely wonderful! The house is awesome with plenty of space for guests and activities. The property is absolutely gorgeous with easy lake access, a great fire pit, and well-kept trails for walking through the woods. The wrap around porch was our favorite feature and where we spent most of our time. There was an issue with the water heater which was entirely out of Paul's control. He did everything he could to resolve the issue while we were there, but unfortunately it was a problem that required more time to resolve. Paul was very apologetic and issued a partial refund for the inconvenience which was very thoughtful and hospitable. I am grateful for his gracious hospitality and willingness to resolve the issue as best he could. Even with this minor issue, I would absolutely stay again at the Loon Lake Lodge. Thank you for a great weekend! ##### Liz C. Stayed 2 nights in Apr 2019 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Jordan W. Nov 13, 2018 #### Awesome weekend on the lake We had 24 guys stay here for my brother’s bachelor party and it was perfect. There was plenty of space for everybody and lots to do. The only complaint anybody had was that we stayed for two nights instead of three. I highly recommend staying here. ##### Jordan W. Stayed 2 nights in Oct 2018 ### 10/10 Excellent #### bruce h. Oct 10, 2018 #### This is our fourth year for a fall retreat at this property and we had a great time as expected. Great Location, great property, and great hosts. We are already looking at the calendar to book next year. ##### bruce h. Stayed 2 nights in Oct 2018 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Andrew G. Sep 19, 2018 #### Amazing Stay! Would 10/10 recommend staying at the Hillman's Loon Lake Lodge! Our group consisted of about 21 friends and couples around 26-30 of age. We get together annually for this trip and usually in different places around Michigan depending on where people are located for jobs each year. This was our first stay with the Hillmans and the whole group loved it. The lodge was large and easily accommodated our group for sleeping, as well as hanging out. We were blessed with perfect weather so we didn't hang inside too much, but if we got rained out there is a giant wrap-around covered porch, a large great room/kitchen, a large mezzanine space, a game room in the basement, not to mention a fully stocked game closet. Our favorite space was the sandy beachfront down the path from the lodge. It was after Labor Day so the pontoon wasn't available for use, but there is a public access next door that you can drop your own boats in and tie them up to the dock. The lake is not heavily populated, we were one of maybe 5-6 houses on the lake. The Hillmans provide paddle boards and kayaks that were a hit. There's plenty of fishing rods for those in your group who don't bring their own. At night, there is a fire pit near the beach with plenty of seating to end your day. Overall, fantastic stay and would 100% recommend to others. Thanks again Paul & Carol! ##### Andrew G. Stayed 4 nights in Sep 2018 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Erika H. Sep 10, 2018 #### Fantastic! Perfect get away! Loon Lake Lodge is absolutely amazing! There is so much to do! We had a great “back to school” get away! LOVED THAT THERE WAS NO TV!!!! We will be back ♥️ ##### Erika H. Stayed 2 nights in Aug 2018 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Rich S., Harbert, Michigan Aug 24, 2018 #### Fantastic We come every year with the entire family. As i’ve Said in previous years, it is like going to Grandma’s house. This year was even better because we brought 90 year old Grandma Margie and she absolutely loved being with her children, grand children,and great grandchildren. We love this place and treat it like our home. ##### Rich S. Stayed 6 nights in Aug 2018 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Katie P. Jul 21, 2018 #### Review of Loon Lake Lodge Wonderful getaway for family. Our family (14) stayed comfortably in the cabin. The kids (ages 13-5) were never bored. They were always playing with the water toys or board games or games in the house. Adequate kitchen area. Hillmans are very easy to work with. Would recommend! ##### Katie P. Stayed 5 nights in Jul 2018 ### 8/10 Good #### Verified traveller Jul 20, 2018 #### Secluded legitimate log cabin cottage / home on small inland lake The entire family enjoyed our experience at Loon Lake Lodge on Townline Lake. Owners recently installed lighted pathway from cottage to lake; very nice touch of elegance. 3 bedrooms to sleep 6-7 and additional guests sleep in open loft area. Never found the big fish but lots of little to mid size bass and pike. ##### Verified traveller Stayed 4 nights in Jul 2018 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Mark T. Jun 15, 2018 #### Great place for large groups! Reserved this place for a large group for a fun weekend. The cabin was EXACTLY what we needed. Access to a lake, a boat, plenty of things to do, and plenty of space. Paul was extremely helpful and I would definitely consider this place if you are planning a large get together! Thanks again Paul! ##### Mark T. 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