Title: Pine Hollow | An Asheville Luxury Timber-Frame Home w/ Hot Tub, Weddings, and More - Latest Reviews, Deals & Photos 2025 - Expedia.ca [See all properties](http://www.expedia.ca/Hotel-Search?regionId=&adults=2&children=&sort=RECOMMENDED&useRewards=false&semdtl=&userIntent=&vip=false) Entire home # Pine Hollow | An Asheville Luxury Timber-Frame Home w/ Hot Tub, Weddings, and More Family-friendly vacation home in Fairview with a hot tub ![Interior](https://images.trvl-media.com/lodging/35000000/34150000/34143200/34143159/19138a8a.jpg?impolicy=resizecrop&rw=598&ra=fit) ![Exterior detail](https://images.trvl-media.com/lodging/35000000/34150000/34143200/34143159/0dbb369f.jpg?impolicy=resizecrop&rw=297&ra=fit) ![TV, fireplace, video games, foosball](https://images.trvl-media.com/lodging/35000000/34150000/34143200/34143159/f0e7220c.jpg?impolicy=resizecrop&rw=297&ra=fit) ![Interior](https://images.trvl-media.com/lodging/35000000/34150000/34143200/34143159/047b5b07.jpg?impolicy=resizecrop&rw=297&ra=fit) ![Dining](https://images.trvl-media.com/lodging/35000000/34150000/34143200/34143159/a367eff9.jpg?impolicy=resizecrop&rw=297&ra=fit) - Overview - Amenities - Policies - Location Escape to the mountains at Pine Hollow, where timber frame grandeur and luxurious surroundings create a lifetime of memories. Relax in the hot tub, explore the expansive deck with a view, or unwind by the fire pit under starry skies. 10 Exceptional ### Entire home 7 bedrooms7 bathroomsSleeps 205200 sq ft ## Popular amenities - Dryer - Hot tub - Parking available - Washer - Pet-friendly - Barbecue grill ## Add dates for prices Check-in Check-out Travellers ## About this property ### Entire place You'll have the entire home to yourself and will only share it with other guests in your party. ### Pine Hollow | An Asheville Luxury Timber-Frame Home w/ Hot Tub, Weddings, and More The Ultimate Asheville Mountain Lodge Escape Experience breathtaking mountain splendor, timeless old-world craftsmanship, and luxury accommodations at Pine Hollow—the premier flagship estate of Yonder Luxury Vacation Rentals. Nestled in the heart of the Blue Ridge Mountains near Asheville, NC, this magnificent timber-frame lodge has welcomed thousands of guests over the past 11+ years, earning 300+ perfect 5-star reviews. Designed for creating unforgettable memories, Pine Hollow offers an exceptional blend of rustic elegance and modern comfort, making it the ideal destination for family gatherings, weddings, corporate retreats, and special celebrations. Its warm, inviting spaces and unparalleled craftsmanship set the stage for once-in-a-lifetime experiences shared across generations. Discover why Pine Hollow remains one of the most sought-after luxury mountain lodges in Asheville—where every stay becomes a story worth telling. Location: Private timber frame home located in a small mountain community, The Falls at Edenderry, 12 minutes south-east of downtown Asheville, 25 minutes to Asheville Regional airport, 20 minutes to the gates of Biltmore Estate. Convenient to everything in WNC. Accessed via ONLY paved roads, with no extreme mountain/windy or steep incline access roads. Elevation: 2,500' Internet Speed - Download: 84.20 Mbps Upload: 22.03 Mbps Accommodations: 7 bedroom, plus Bonus Bunk Room, 7 full baths, 1 - 1/2 baths Occupancy Summary / Sleeps in beds: 20 Max. Occupancy: 24 (PLEASE NOTE: Yonder provides linens for all beds; other occupancy will require guests providing their own linens.) Description: Pine Hollow is a spectacular true timber-frame home with 7 bedrooms, soaring rafters, high ceilings, vaulted spaces, and hard wood floors throughout. The great room, with two story stone fireplace, and fully equipped gourmet kitchen, is where everyone will want to gather to enjoy their time together while inside. Once outside, enjoy the hot tub, tossing bread crumbs to the fish in the pond or meander down to the fire pit for relaxation under the stars. Pine Hollow is Yonder's most requested vacation rental, booking year's in advance, and is a perfect and popular location for weddings and events. Come experience a stunning and luxurious timber-frame lodge that will melt your worries away, and replace them with an experience of a lifetime. Get ready to be “wowed” by this 5,200 sq. ft. spectacular true timber-frame home. With soaring rafters, high ceilings, vaulted spaces, and hard wood floors throughout, you will immediately feel at home at Pine Hollow. The home abounds with places to gather and celebrate, share stories and laugh out loud till it hurts. The Garage TV/Game Room is a huge hit with all generations, with tons of fun for everyone! But, if you need some “alone time”, there is plenty of space inside and out to find your own serenity. Kids love getting lost in the “sleeping lofts.” The expansive, partially covered, deck is just off the great room. Pull up a chair and take in the view, observe the night as it fills with stars, and watch the fire lies come out to play in your backyard. Or, meander down to the fire pit to toast some s'mores and share stories. And of course the HOT TUB!! Pine Hollow is the flagship property for all of the Yonder luxury mountain rentals, and far and away the most requested! It is also a destination for weddings, and we host quite a few. We can certainly get into much more detail if you are interested, but you could host an outdoor affair with up to 150 people, with tents, etc. It is also important to note that we have 3 other vacation rental homes in The Falls at Edenderry development that provide accommodations for large wedding overflow, and their associated family and guests if needed. These homes are the "Lodge at Edenderry", "Mountain Haven" and "Winters Haven". You are just minutes from America's favorite scenic byway, The Blue Ridge Parkway, biking, hiking, white water rafting, rock climbing, kayaking, canoeing, zip lining, Segway tour…just about any outdoor activity! Or, take a quick ride to downtown Asheville to enjoy the first-rate restaurants, shopping, galleries, and entertainment. Exclusive Yonder Special: When you book Pine Hollow you will receive a special code for discounted tickets to the Biltmore Estate! Contact Yonder for more info. Bedroom/Bath Layout: Bedroom #1 - Lower Terrace Level – Guest Suite - Queen Bed W/Ensuite Bath (#1) Bedroom #2 - Lower Terrace Level – Guest Room - King Bed W/Full Bath (#2) Bedroom #3 - Main Level – Master Suite - King Bed W/Ensuite Full Bath, Jetted Tub (#3) Bedroom #4 - Second Level – Guest Room - Queen Bed & Sleeping Loft W/Jack-n-Jill Full Bath (#4) Bedroom #5 - Second Level – Guest Room - Queen Bed W/Hall Bath (#5) Bedroom #6 - Second Level – Guest Room - King Bed & Sleeping Loft W/Shared Full Bath (#6) Bedroom #7 - Second Level – Guest Room - Queen Bed W/Shared Full Bath (#6) Bonus Bunk Room - Second Level - 2 Twin-over-Queen Bunk Beds W/Full Bath (#7) Additional Powder Room Bath on Main Occupancy Summary / Sleeps in beds: 20 Max. Occupancy: 24 (PLEASE NOTE: Yonder provides linens for all beds; other occupancy will require guests providing their own linens.) Additional Rate And Fees information: Yonder openly shares our Cleaning Fees in a manner of full disclosure, as we think this is the most honest and forthright approach with respect to our guests. Our Cleaning Fees are backed by our Clean Guarantee, which reflects the highest level of standards, pristine environments for our guests, and a level of clean that surpasses any other vacation homes; we literally guarantee it! processing fee Current local tax rate is 13% No Security Deposit / Guests are responsible for damages. Early Check In and/or Late Check Out may be possible, depending on cleaning schedules and other reservations. If it is possible, there may be an additional fee that would be determined based on the time that you wish to check in or out and the seasonal rates. Events: Events are allowed at this property for up to 150 guests. Minimum 4 night stay for events. NOTE: ALL Events will have fees associated with hosting an Event, and determined/finalized once a guest head-count is shared. The Event Fee will be assessed outside of, and separate from the normal rental costs. Please talk with Yonder Guest Experience Specialist for details and costs for having your event at Pine Hollow. Pets: This home and property are dog-friendly, and guests are welcome to bring their furry friends. There is a non-refundable Pet Fee of $130 with a limit of 2 dogs per booking party. Please inquire for details regarding payment, the cancellation policy, military discounts, and trip insurance. ​​​​​​​Note: Reservations over 30 days are subject for review prior to acceptance. A separate rental agreement will be required for 90+ day stays. Last Minute Bookings: Reservations made within 7 days of check-in require additional documentation before confirmation. ## Property amenities ### Ski - Close to skiing - Snowboarding nearby ### Pool/Spa - Hot tub ### Internet - Available in the house: WiFi ### Parking and transportation - Electric car charging station on site - Onsite parking options include a garage ### Kitchen - Coffee/tea maker - Cookware, dishware, and utensils - Dishwasher - Microwave - Oven - Refrigerator - Stovetop - Toaster ### Dining - Dining table ### Bedrooms - 7 bedrooms - Bedsheets provided ### Bathroom - 7 bathrooms - Hair dryer - Jetted bathtub - Shower - Towels provided ### Living spaces - Dining table - Fireplace - Living room ### Entertainment - Books - Games - TV with cable/satellite channels - Video games ### Outdoor areas - Balcony - Barbecue grill - Firepit - Terrace ### Laundry - Laundry facilities - Washing machine ### Comfort - Air conditioning - Heating ### Pets - Pet friendly - Welcoming dogs only - 2 pets total (up to 50 lbs per pet) ### Suitability/Accessibility - Cobblestone flooring in public areas - Smoking not allowed ### Services and conveniences - Housekeeping (on request) - Iron/ironing board ### Location highlights - In the mountains - Near a health/beauty spa - Near a hospital - Near an outlet shopping mall ### Things to do - Arcade/game room - Billiards/pool table - Foosball table - Table tennis - Birdwatching nearby - Casino nearby - Ecotours nearby - Fishing nearby - Hiking/biking trails nearby - Horseback riding nearby - Hunting nearby - Jet skiing nearby - Kayaking nearby - Mountain biking nearby - Mountain climbing nearby - Rafting nearby - Rock climbing nearby - Snowmobiling nearby - Swimming nearby - Wildlife walks nearby - Winery tours nearby ### Safety features - Carbon monoxide detector (host has indicated there is a carbon monoxide detector on the property) - Smoke detector (host has indicated there is a smoke detector on the property) - Fire extinguisher - Deadbolt lock ### General - Electric car charging station - Housekeeping (on request) - Unit size: 5,200 square feet ## Similar properties ![Dining](https://images.trvl-media.com/lodging/35000000/34150000/34145300/34145223/5ef2c1ea.jpg?impolicy=fcrop&w=469&h=201&p=1&q=medium) ### The Lodge at Edenderry | Pet-Friendly Mountain Luxury Retreat | Hot Tub & More! 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You will receive an email from Vrbo with a link to a Vrbo account, where you can change or cancel your reservation ### Property is also known as 450561 ## About the area ![Map](https://maps.googleapis.com/maps/api/staticmap?&size=660x330&map_id=3b266eb50d2997c6&zoom=13&markers=icon:https%3A%2F%2Fa.travel-assets.com%2Ftravel-assets-manager%2Feg-maps%2Fproperty.png%7C35.54381%2C-82.42788&channel=expedia-HotelInformation&maptype=roadmap&scale=1&key=AIzaSyCYjQus5kCufOpSj932jFoR_AJiL9yiwOw&signature=eItkyZyOaFKJk-qYSTjv2r5H70w=) Fairview, NC #### What's nearby - Blue Ridge Parkway Asheville Entrance - 7 min drive - 8.0 km - Blue Ridge Parkway Visitor Center - 7 min drive - 8.0 km - Blue Ridge National Heritage Area - 7 min drive - 8.0 km - Western North Carolina Nature Center - 9 min drive - 10.0 km - Biltmore Estate - 15 min drive - 15.8 km #### Getting around - Asheville Regional Airport (AVL) - 24 min drive #### Restaurants - ‪Turgua Brewing - ‬12 min drive - ‪The Local Joint - ‬3 min drive - ‪Cultivated Cocktails Distillery & Tavern - ‬6 min drive - ‪La Bamba Burrito Express - ‬15 min drive - ‪Dunkin' - ‬15 min drive ## Frequently asked questions ### Is Pine Hollow | An Asheville Luxury Timber-Frame Home w/ Hot Tub, Weddings, and More pet-friendly? > Yes, this property allows dogs (limit 2 total) with a maximum weight of up to 50 lbs per pet. ### What time is check-in at Pine Hollow | An Asheville Luxury Timber-Frame Home w/ Hot Tub, Weddings, and More? > Check-in begins at 4:00 PM. ### What time is check-out at Pine Hollow | An Asheville Luxury Timber-Frame Home w/ Hot Tub, Weddings, and More? > Check-out is at 10:00 AM. ### Where is Pine Hollow | An Asheville Luxury Timber-Frame Home w/ Hot Tub, Weddings, and More located? > Located in the mountains, this family-friendly vacation home is within 6 mi (10 km) of Blue Ridge Parkway Asheville Entrance, Blue Ridge National Heritage Area, and Blue Ridge Parkway Visitor Center. Asheville's Fun Depot and Western North Carolina Nature Center are also within 9 mi (15 km). ## Have a question? Beta Get instant answers with AI powered search of property information and reviews. Ask a question ## Pine Hollow | An Asheville Luxury Timber-Frame Home w/ Hot Tub, Weddings, and More Reviews 10 ### Exceptional All reviews shown are from real guest experiences. Only travellers who have booked a stay with us can submit a review. We verify reviews according to our guidelines and publish all reviews, positive or negative.[More information](https://www.expedia.ca/lp/b/content-guidelines) 10 - Excellent 288 8 - Good 13 6 - Okay 1 4 - Poor 0 2 - Terrible 0 ### 9.8/10 Cleanliness ### 10/10 Amenities ### 10/10 Property conditions & facilities ### 10/10 Excellent #### Joanne T. Nov 8, 2022 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Wonderful stay Great experience was had by all in your beautiful home. Plenty of space with many areas to congregate. Location was great. Would highly recommend this property! ##### Joanne T. Stayed 2 nights in Nov 2022 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Tracy R. Oct 12, 2023 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Perfect! Just what our team needed for a time of team building! The place was awesome! The neighbors a bit loud late into the night. But overall just great! ##### Tracy R. Stayed 2 nights in Sep 2023 This review was submitted before 2018 and has not been verified. ### 10/10 Excellent #### Joy E C. Feb 17, 2017 #### A very positive experience In the documentation that was provided for Pine Hollow, the statement read, 'Our goal is to provide all of our guests with an absolutely spectacular experience while staying with us at Pine Hollow'. Pine Hollow did just that. The owner is a very gracious host, and due to the major snowstorm that occurred during our stay, was very accommodating by letting us stay an extra night. The Yonder Team was equally as exceptional and very courteous in our interactions. They were available well into the evening, and whenever we needed to contact them. The house is very spacious with plenty of room for our large group. The garage was converted into a game room, so that even though we could not take advantage of the outdoor amenities \[due to the snowstorm\], we were able to thoroughly enjoy being inside. I would highly recommend considering staying at Pine Hollow if one wants an exceptional getaway in the Asheville area. Tim C ##### Joy E C. Stayed 4 nights in Jan 2017 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Caitlin N. Jul 5, 2025 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Can't wait to go back We stayed at Pine Hollow for a family get together and there could not have been a better place! The house is gorgeous and massive - room for everyone and all the activities. The location is a great launching point for hikes in Pisgah and easy Asheville access. Everyone is already talking about the next reunion and going back to Pine Hollow again. ##### Caitlin N. Stayed 3 nights in Jun 2025 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Bailey R. Mar 25, 2025 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Pine Hollow Excellence This was an awesome visit to AVL. Highlighted by this wonderful home! It very spacious and plenty of room for everyone. The home had everything we needed during this weekend stay!highly recommend! ##### Bailey R. Stayed 2 nights in Mar 2025 ### 8/10 Good #### Raven R. Feb 5, 2025 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Great house! Pine hollow is a fabulous house! Just a quick drive to downtown Asheville, it made for a super fun vacation! The only issue we had was that the grill was extremely rusted and therefore unable to be used. Everything else was great for the quick weekend that we were there! Would definitely return if I had a big group. ##### Raven R. Stayed 3 nights in Jan 2025 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Susan M. Jul 6, 2024 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### 50th Wedding Anniversary We did enjoy our stay. Plenty to do for the kids with space for the adults to enjoy conversations. Appreciated the two refrigerators to store food for 19 people!! Beautiful post and beam home! ##### Susan M. Stayed 3 nights in Jun 2024 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Evan V. Mar 12, 2024 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### nice property great house, spacious and well-appointed. short drive to Asheville, hikes, the airport. host was very flexible for an early check-in which was appreciated. property was clean and everything worked well. would absolutely stay again- accommodates a large group very comfortably. ##### Evan V. Stayed 2 nights in Mar 2024 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Sharon T. Jan 2, 2024 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Mom’s 80th Birthday Amazing time with extended family celebrating Mom’s 80th. Great house with lots of fun spaces. Large kitchen table was perfect for games. ##### Sharon T. Stayed 2 nights in Dec 2023 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Kari C. Nov 24, 2023 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Birthday Celebration Was a great trip - celebrated my brothers birthday with a group of friends and it was perfect. So much space and multiple rooms for congregating, in case anyone needed privacy. Owner was also very communicative with any questions, for instance we had a question about the grill and response was immediate. Also, had more than enough kitchen supplies, there wasnt anything we really needed. So happy we picked this rental! ##### Kari C. Stayed 2 nights in Nov 2023 ### 8/10 Good #### Bronson B. Nov 10, 2023 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Overall a great location and an amazing place…but don’t show up on time because they weren’t ready. Unfortunately when we showed up there was mountains of trash from the previous group outside by the door waiting to be disposed of. Not a welcoming environment at all, I contacted the manager and got no response but a little later someone came and picked it up. (Still no communication back to us) About an hour later the mowing crew came along and it was amazingly loud actually right when we were about to sit down for dinner. Really a bad start to the weekend. The property is great though and we had a really great weekend just poor preparation for us arriving and zero response when we reached out. ##### Bronson B. Stayed 2 nights in Oct 2023 ### 10/10 Excellent #### lisa g. Sep 18, 2023 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Fantastic! We LOVED this home! Is has everything! So much space, very well equipped and the game room was so much fun!! ##### lisa g. Stayed 3 nights in Sep 2023 ### 8/10 Good #### kmmcginn@comcast.net Sep 5, 2023 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Plenty of room for a group We spent a week at Pine Hollow with 4 other couples celebrating our 60th birthday year. Plenty of space and privacy for each of us - not only bedrooms and bathrooms, but actual private sitting areas! We found the kitchen to be particularly well stocked with equipment and utensils, and really appreciated the abundance of refrigerators and large garbage/recycle bins. The furniture throughout the home was very comfortable. The deck and yard were perfect for lounging and playing "bags". We especially enjoyed the fabulous game room - what a nice addition to the shared space. Just sorry that we didn't find time to use the hot tub. Had a bit of a glitch getting into the home when we first arrived, but the Yonder folks were very responsive and able to talk us through the idiosyncrasies of the key pad on the front door. With a home this large, the maintenance and upkeep can be daunting. There were a few issues that needed to be addressed, especially for the cost of this particular rental. However, they were not enough to prevent me from recommending the property or staying there again. We truly enjoyed the home and had a fabulous time at Pine Hollow. ##### kmmcginn@comcast.net Stayed 7 nights in Aug 2023 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Lauren O. Jul 31, 2023 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Great house in a quiet beautiful area We enjoyed the house very much! ##### Lauren O. Stayed 3 nights in Jul 2023 ### 6/10 Okay #### Marc B. May 17, 2023 Liked: Check-in, location #### Luxury? Not So Much. A door to the outside would not lock. Anyone could have come in and murdered our entire group during the first 2 nights! Angela from Yonder responded to this with, "Just wanted to let you know that the homeowner will be repairing the lock on the exterior door after your stay as the parts were ordered and he is waiting on them." After our stay? How is that safe/cool? Anyway, eventually their weekend guy came out and installed a lock on an interior door. Better than nothing, I'll give them that. Also, there were dead fish in the overcrowded coy pond, there was some decomposing critter (opossum maybe?) in a tub near the hot tub, and we found a dying cockroach in one of the bathrooms, there also was/were a broken toilet seat that just kind of rested on the bowl (weekend guy could not fix), a dryer that didn't dry, loudly leaking showers (weekend guy could not fix this either), a range burner that wouldn't light, the roof leaked during a thunderstorm. This stuff is all fixable, but it just made the overall lodging experience seem overpriced and low quality (not at all "luxury" as advertised). ##### Marc B. Stayed 5 nights in May 2023 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Tyson G. Sep 8, 2022 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Excellent property!! Just an overall perfect experience! ##### Tyson G. Stayed 5 nights in Aug 2022 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Laura P. Aug 22, 2022 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Gorgeous home & great location Thoroughly enjoyed this property. Everything was clean & comfortable. ##### Laura P. Stayed 2 nights in Aug 2022 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Aimee May 2, 2022 Liked: Cleanliness, amenities, property conditions & facilities, communication This is an absolutely gorgeous property with plenty of room for multiple families or a big group. We had 10 adults and 4 little ones and everyone had their own area. The house itself is beautiful as is the property. Great amenities and attention to detail. The recreation room along with the fire pits outside and large yard provide ample opportunities for fun! It was perfect for our family and we made great memories there! ##### Aimee Stayed 2 nights in Apr 2022 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Sarah U. Mar 29, 2022 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Great Ohenomenal ##### Sarah U. Stayed 3 nights in Mar 2022 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Karen G. Oct 25, 2021 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Beautiful setting No comments all was good ##### Karen G. Stayed 3 nights in Oct 2021 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Ken V. Jul 29, 2021 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Great stay The house was great! We had 10 adults and 8 children and we never ran out of things to do and places to see. It was centrally located for our family coming from the north and the south, beautiful scenery, and a good times was had by all. The house was as promised and so much prettier in person. Thank you for a wonderful week! ##### Ken V. Stayed 7 nights in Jul 2021 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Carrie R., Perrysburg Jun 21, 2021 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Amazing The property is beautiful and the pictures do not do it justice!!! If you stay near Asheville and you don’t stay here- you are missing out! ##### Carrie R. Stayed 7 nights in Jun 2021 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Cindy J., Tupelo, MS Jun 1, 2021 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Spacious and very nice! Property was really nice and spacious. Plenty to do around the cabin. ##### Cindy J. Stayed 5 nights in May 2021 ### 10/10 Excellent #### Carolina R. Apr 11, 2021 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Loved the house! We were 14 and there was plenty of space in the house.. teens loved the playroom and we loved the vegetation surrounding the house! ##### Carolina R. Stayed 6 nights in Apr 2021 ### 10/10 Excellent #### David G. Apr 7, 2021 Liked: Cleanliness, check-in, communication, location, listing accuracy #### Great Place Some leaks in the ceiling but great place and location. ##### David G. 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